Comments on: Mailbag: 5th Starter? http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/ Analysis of our favorite Atlanta Braves. Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:50:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Brent http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8407 Brent Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:25:37 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8407 It looks pretty clear we ARE going to get Glavine now. The fact that he wanted a contract laced with incentives involving him pitching a lot this season makes me think he is going to be able to throw a lot of innings. It looks pretty clear we ARE going to get Glavine now. The fact that he wanted a contract laced with incentives involving him pitching a lot this season makes me think he is going to be able to throw a lot of innings.

]]> By: Larry http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8395 Larry Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:33:15 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8395 There is a couple teams that have crowded outfields we could check into. The Nats, Angels and Tigers. The Tigers seem willing to part with Thames. Hes got good power. There is a couple teams that have crowded outfields we could check into. The Nats, Angels and Tigers. The Tigers seem willing to part with Thames. Hes got good power.

]]> By: Bud http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8392 Bud Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:01:36 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8392 Hi folks, and happy first day of spring to one and all. I was stunned to see Bowman put Reyes in the fifth spot. Maybe he did so just because there was doubt about Glavine signing (I think that will happen now, with the talk of deferring the incentive money). Jo-Jo had some pretty decent starts from mid-May to mid-June, then totally went off the side of the cliff. He does have good stuff, but mentally, he just isn't tough enough to grind out six innings when he doesn't have his best stuff. I would have listed Campillo as the fifth starter without Glavine in the fold, but that's just me. With Glavine, you've got a very good, very deep rotation that can get games to the sixth and seventh and eighth consistently, saving the bullpen. In my mind, Campillo is the long reliever/spot starter if Glavine signs, with Morton and Reyes and Parr and Hanson going to Gwinnett to start the season. Will be interesting to see how the bullpen shakes out, who steps up in center field, if Frenchy circa 2005-2007 can reemerge, and if Diaz circa 2006-2007 comes back. If so, the Bravos got a shot to win what's going to be a very competitive and very good division. Bud. <a href="http://braves.today.com" target="_blank">http://braves.today.com</a> Hi folks, and happy first day of spring to one and all.

I was stunned to see Bowman put Reyes in the fifth spot. Maybe he did so just because there was doubt about Glavine signing (I think that will happen now, with the talk of deferring the incentive money).

Jo-Jo had some pretty decent starts from mid-May to mid-June, then totally went off the side of the cliff. He does have good stuff, but mentally, he just isn't tough enough to grind out six innings when he doesn't have his best stuff. I would have listed Campillo as the fifth starter without Glavine in the fold, but that's just me.

With Glavine, you've got a very good, very deep rotation that can get games to the sixth and seventh and eighth consistently, saving the bullpen. In my mind, Campillo is the long reliever/spot starter if Glavine signs, with Morton and Reyes and Parr and Hanson going to Gwinnett to start the season.

Will be interesting to see how the bullpen shakes out, who steps up in center field, if Frenchy circa 2005-2007 can reemerge, and if Diaz circa 2006-2007 comes back. If so, the Bravos got a shot to win what's going to be a very competitive and very good division.

Bud.
http://braves.today.com

]]> By: dave http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8389 dave Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:21:45 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8389 I think signing Tom Glavine would be a big plus for the Braves. I think we need to give spring training a chance to see what develops with the outfield questions. IF it doesn't work out I'm sure Swisher, and Nady will still be there if a trade is necessary. I wonder if Frank Wren is thinking the same thing, with the money situation like it is. I hope Jeff ,and Kelly can avoid arbitration. I think it would create more unity between them and management. GO BRAVES I think signing Tom Glavine would be a big plus for the Braves. I think we need to give spring training a chance to see what develops with the outfield questions. IF it doesn't work out I'm sure Swisher, and Nady will still be there if a trade is necessary. I wonder if Frank Wren is thinking the same thing, with the money situation like it is. I hope Jeff ,and Kelly can avoid arbitration. I think it would create more unity between them and management. GO BRAVES

]]> By: Keith http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8388 Keith Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:41:07 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8388 I think the latest offer to Glavine is great. It looks like we will go with what we have in our system as a solution to left. One Million for sure and up to 5 million in incentives. Here's there thinking: If he achieves all of the goals then this will be great news for the Braves otherwise, they are only out 1 million. After the first couple of months they should know how much they may have to pay him. If he fails, then the Braves have the money freed to make a possible mid season trade for left field. Then again, maybe someone in our system steps and shines. If he is sucessful in achieving all goals the the Braves will likely have a chance this season. I think the latest offer to Glavine is great. It looks like we will go with what we have in our system as a solution to left. One Million for sure and up to 5 million in incentives. Here's there thinking: If he achieves all of the goals then this will be great news for the Braves otherwise, they are only out 1 million. After the first couple of months they should know how much they may have to pay him. If he fails, then the Braves have the money freed to make a possible mid season trade for left field. Then again, maybe someone in our system steps and shines. If he is sucessful in achieving all goals the the Braves will likely have a chance this season.

]]> By: dave http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8383 dave Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:30:57 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8383 Jo-Jo is the one young guy I am not enthused about, I wish I could be because we need a lefty that can start for us. I think we need to sign Glavine for this reason. Jo-Jo if I remember correctly from last year would not listen to Smoltz or Glavine when he was struggling with his pitching. For a young guy that will take advice from two future hall of famers needs some more time in the minors, and get his head on straight. We need Glavine to break up all the right hand pitching we have. If healthy I believe he is still very capable of winning 10-12 games. If we don't sign Tom I vote for Campillo as the 5th starter Morton is my next choice. I like both of them, ain't it great to have some pitching depth. Just think come August or September we have Tim Hudson coming back, and sometime this year if not from the start we have a guy named Hanson. When you think about it things look pretty good. Best Wishes And GO BRAVES. Jo-Jo is the one young guy I am not enthused about, I wish I could be because we need a lefty that can start for us. I think we need to sign Glavine for this reason. Jo-Jo if I remember correctly from last year would not listen to Smoltz or Glavine when he was struggling with his pitching. For a young guy that will take advice from two future hall of famers needs some more time in the minors, and get his head on straight. We need Glavine to break up all the right hand pitching we have. If healthy I believe he is still very capable of winning 10-12 games. If we don't sign Tom I vote for Campillo as the 5th starter Morton is my next choice. I like both of them, ain't it great to have some pitching depth. Just think come August or September we have Tim Hudson coming back, and sometime this year if not from the start we have a guy named Hanson. When you think about it things look pretty good. Best Wishes And GO BRAVES.

]]> By: Colin Ake http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8382 Colin Ake Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:07:42 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8382 My point is that I'm sorry that people think he's a 5th starter. I'm also sorry you're such a nitpicker, you nitpicker. My point is that I'm sorry that people think he's a 5th starter. I'm also sorry you're such a nitpicker, you nitpicker.

]]> By: RueGrant http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8381 RueGrant Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:49:31 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8381 one more thing to point out. Colin, do not EVER apologize for something you aren't sorry for. "Jo-Jo Reyes is not a good option. He’s just not. I’m sorry...." No, you aren't sorry, and you should not be sorry for your correct opinion. The only thing you should be sorry about is that we are actually legitimately considering him as a 5th starter. That is a sorry statement in itself. one more thing to point out. Colin, do not EVER apologize for something you aren't sorry for. "Jo-Jo Reyes is not a good option. He’s just not. I’m sorry…." No, you aren't sorry, and you should not be sorry for your correct opinion. The only thing you should be sorry about is that we are actually legitimately considering him as a 5th starter. That is a sorry statement in itself.

]]> By: RueGrant http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8380 RueGrant Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:47:34 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8380 I don't like the statistics on Escobar's place at batting second. I am a numbers girl, as you very well know, and I really don't think that there is a strong RELEVANT correlation between a downturn in performance based on placement. Statistically, yes, there is a correlation factor, but the fact of the matter is that his performance was consistent in one place, which does not account for alternative variables to make this "spot" a statistically "weaker" spot. What I'm ultimately saying is that baseball statisticians just throw out numbers, the true meaning of those numbers is not necessarily definitive. Therefore, my vote goes to the Anderson/Escobar/Johnson lineup, for as much as I love KJ.... I don't like the statistics on Escobar's place at batting second. I am a numbers girl, as you very well know, and I really don't think that there is a strong RELEVANT correlation between a downturn in performance based on placement. Statistically, yes, there is a correlation factor, but the fact of the matter is that his performance was consistent in one place, which does not account for alternative variables to make this "spot" a statistically "weaker" spot. What I'm ultimately saying is that baseball statisticians just throw out numbers, the true meaning of those numbers is not necessarily definitive. Therefore, my vote goes to the Anderson/Escobar/Johnson lineup, for as much as I love KJ….

]]> By: Larry http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8378 Larry Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:54:57 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8378 I think Jo-Jo got the nod because we don't have a lefty. Thats the first thing I thought of when I saw his rotation. Unless Glavine signs, Reyes will have that advantage over the others. I don't agree with it and I think Campillo is the best option but to me thats why Reyes got the nod instead of Campillo. Just another way to look at it. I think Jo-Jo got the nod because we don't have a lefty. Thats the first thing I thought of when I saw his rotation. Unless Glavine signs, Reyes will have that advantage over the others. I don't agree with it and I think Campillo is the best option but to me thats why Reyes got the nod instead of Campillo. Just another way to look at it.

]]> By: Brent http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8376 Brent Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:35:50 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8376 Maybe people forget that Campillo, along with Jurrjens, was one of the biggest bright spots last year but I don't. Campillo should have this spot wrapped up in my opinion. Maybe people forget that Campillo, along with Jurrjens, was one of the biggest bright spots last year but I don't. Campillo should have this spot wrapped up in my opinion.

]]> By: Keith http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8374 Keith Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:07:57 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8374 I think it is great to see the many options we have for the fifth starter. Last year we suffered so many injuries that we had nearly an entire staff of #5 starters and/or guys who shouldn't have been on the team. We had no options. Since we have lost out on just about everyone worthy of playing left field, I bet the Braves do come to terms with Glavine. It might not be such a bad idea given the staff's past injuries and Glavine's motivation to end his career on a good note. I want him to earn the spot and not be given the position because of who he is. This is the part that scares me because the one weakness Bobby has is being to loyal to his former stars. This is why I was pleased to Andrew sign with the Rangers. I think it is great to see the many options we have for the fifth starter. Last year we suffered so many injuries that we had nearly an entire staff of #5 starters and/or guys who shouldn't have been on the team. We had no options.

Since we have lost out on just about everyone worthy of playing left field, I bet the Braves do come to terms with Glavine. It might not be such a bad idea given the staff's past injuries and Glavine's motivation to end his career on a good note. I want him to earn the spot and not be given the position because of who he is. This is the part that scares me because the one weakness Bobby has is being to loyal to his former stars. This is why I was pleased to Andrew sign with the Rangers.

]]> By: Keith http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8373 Keith Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:53:44 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8373 That could very well be the order.....now that all the possible cleanup hitters are taken. Chipper will certainly be seeing some time in the 4 hole. Look for Brian to spend time there as well (depending on who's pitching and what's working) Fact is we are ALL guilty of guessing what the lineup wll look like. Bobby will use so many different combinations. With that being said, there will only be a few options at cleanup. Jeff could see SOME time in that spot, provded he rebounds. That could very well be the order…..now that all the possible cleanup hitters are taken. Chipper will certainly be seeing some time in the 4 hole. Look for Brian to spend time there as well (depending on who's pitching and what's working) Fact is we are ALL guilty of guessing what the lineup wll look like. Bobby will use so many different combinations. With that being said, there will only be a few options at cleanup. Jeff could see SOME time in that spot, provded he rebounds.

]]> By: Colin Ake http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8372 Colin Ake Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:38:38 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8372 Yeah, I'd like to see Anderson first and Yunel second. From there it all depends on whether or not we sign a cleanup hitter as to how the rest of the lineup comes out. The reason they may throw Yunel first is his higher OBP, and his splits show he bats better in first or third than second in the order. Maybe if we don't sign a cleanup hitter, do Anderson / Johnson / Escobar for the first three and then Chipper and McCann after that. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I'd like to see Anderson first and Yunel second. From there it all depends on whether or not we sign a cleanup hitter as to how the rest of the lineup comes out. The reason they may throw Yunel first is his higher OBP, and his splits show he bats better in first or third than second in the order. Maybe if we don't sign a cleanup hitter, do Anderson / Johnson / Escobar for the first three and then Chipper and McCann after that. We'll see what happens.

]]> By: Pat from bravescast http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8371 Pat from bravescast Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:20:03 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8371 Sorry i still fired up about Bowman. I just looked over that post again, and why would Josh Anderson be the 8th place hitter if he is our everyday center fielder? He is not only the fastest base runner on the team and adds an element we have not had in a few years, but also has no problem making contact. The record hit streak in the minors should prove that from last year. Does anyone else agree he should lead off? Why would Yunel be the leadoff hitter? Sorry i still fired up about Bowman. I just looked over that post again, and why would Josh Anderson be the 8th place hitter if he is our everyday center fielder? He is not only the fastest base runner on the team and adds an element we have not had in a few years, but also has no problem making contact. The record hit streak in the minors should prove that from last year. Does anyone else agree he should lead off? Why would Yunel be the leadoff hitter?

]]> By: Pat from Bravescasr http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8370 Pat from Bravescasr Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:10:44 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8370 I agree that Campillo is the best option if Glavine does not sign and also agree about Bowman's recent post. This is the guy who said the Braves would never sign Lowe. He was also the guy who had put Vazquez as the opening day starter before the moves and last I saw he thinks he will be before both Jurjens, and Kawakamia in the rotation. The guy barely has a winning record in his carrer. I agree that Campillo is the best option if Glavine does not sign and also agree about Bowman's recent post. This is the guy who said the Braves would never sign Lowe. He was also the guy who had put Vazquez as the opening day starter before the moves and last I saw he thinks he will be before both Jurjens, and Kawakamia in the rotation. The guy barely has a winning record in his carrer.

]]> By: bengoodfella http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8367 bengoodfella Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:45:25 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8367 Unless Jo-Jo has figured out how to pitch in the major leagues, I think Campillo is the best option. As far as signing Glavine at all, I am pretty torn on whether the Braves should sign him but there will most likely be some sort of injury to one of the pitching staff this year and he is not a bad backup option, but he is old. Unless Jo-Jo has figured out how to pitch in the major leagues, I think Campillo is the best option. As far as signing Glavine at all, I am pretty torn on whether the Braves should sign him but there will most likely be some sort of injury to one of the pitching staff this year and he is not a bad backup option, but he is old.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8357 Jeff Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:16:46 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8357 I agree, I think Campillo is the best option. He was a nice surprise last year. I think the experience of last year helped along with maybe some easier matchups being the 5th starter. The last person I want to see pitch a lot of innings is Jo-Jo Reyes. I agree, I think Campillo is the best option. He was a nice surprise last year. I think the experience of last year helped along with maybe some easier matchups being the 5th starter. The last person I want to see pitch a lot of innings is Jo-Jo Reyes.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/02/13/mailbag-5th-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-8356 Jonathan Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:06:56 +0000 http://www.bravesblast.com/?p=680#comment-8356 As I said, I'm all for Campillo. He was enjoyable to watch last season and I know he has what it takes to fill the spot. Down the road, for someone, somewhere, maybe Jo-Jo will have what it takes. I even gave him extra chances last season. He came back, looked decent for a couple of starts and then it was right back to the same old thing. As I said, I'm all for Campillo. He was enjoyable to watch last season and I know he has what it takes to fill the spot.

Down the road, for someone, somewhere, maybe Jo-Jo will have what it takes. I even gave him extra chances last season. He came back, looked decent for a couple of starts and then it was right back to the same old thing.

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